by Dave C. Jones
Folsom, CA - 5 March 2009 @ 0951 PST - I was listening to Tom Sullivan yesterday and heard about Dr. John Muney of New York and his innovative method of servicing those who cannot afford health insurance. In a nutshell, he charges his patients $79 per month plus $10 per visit. In other words, for about $1,000 per year, his patients do not have to worry about routine illnesses or anything else that can be taken care of in Dr. Muney's offices.
Who could possibly have a problem with that plan? Apparently, the New York state insurance regulators do. The state told Dr. Muney that his plan is an insurance policy and he has to be licensed to sell insurance.
Give me a break. The government cries out of one side of its mouth that society has an obligation to ensure that every person has access to health care; then, out of the other side, it berates doctors who do something to make that goal a reality. What the government really wants is complete control of everything. If the government really cared about the people, New York state would have no problem with what Dr. Muney is doing. In fact, the state should be recommending that idea to doctors all over the state.
Unfortunately, the state sees money running through its fingers. Rather than Dr. Muney submitting claims to Medicare, he collects cash. Rather than paying the state insurance licensing fees, he shuns insurance, enabling his patients to pay cash. The government worries that if all doctors did this, the government would not be able to continue employing people to process insurance, doctors could cut overhead by laying off insurance billers and accounts receivable employees, and the economy as we know it would end! Good grief.
The bottom line is that what Dr. Muney is doing here is not conceptually different from what attorneys do when they allow clients to sign a retainer agreement. In essence, a retainer agreement secures the right of the client to call the attorney with any legal problems the retainer agreement says are covered and to have the attorney handle them for an agreed upon rate (either included in the retainer fee, hourly, or flat fee). The "client" may never call the attorney for advice, just as the "patient" may never come in to see Dr. Muney.
I don't know how Dr. Muney's agreements are written or structured, but any good civil attorney should be able to help Dr. Muney modify his agreements so they are essentially putting him on retainer for each of his patients. The agreement would be that Dr. Muney would see the patient within X number of hours for any of the problems he can handle in his office for a retainer fee of $79/month and a flat $10 per problem.
If the state still has problems with the arrangement, it must have a problem with attorney retainer agreements. And, if that is the case, I'm sure there are hundreds or thousands of attorneys who would step up and defend the retainer agreement in both law and medicine.
It's time that people see government for what it is—a leviathan that would rather take complete control of everything rather than fix anything. Just ask Dr. Muney's patients.
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Updated 16 March 2009 @ 1305 PDT: I was listening to Glenn Beck's show on Fox News late last week (Thursday, 12 May 2009, I believe) and heard Dr. Muney giving an update on the situation. Apparently the State of New York changed its mind--somewhat. The State wrote to the doctor and said he could continue to offer his fixed fee $79/month medical care for preventative health but if someone came in complaining of an illness or injury, he would have to charge them at least $33 for that visit. Bureaucracy at work. I hope he is still fighting this with the state, but at least he is not completely shut down . . .
Updated 7 May 2009 @ 2258 PDT: Reuters reports that New York State Assemblyman Adam Clayton Powell, IV of the 68th Assembly District will be introducing a bill to allow primary care physicians—such as Dr. Muney—to offer services using a flat-fee approach. I have not been able to verify that report yet and another site reports information that may contradict the Reuters story. The New York Post reports that New York State Senator Andrew J. Lanza of the 24th Senate District will be introducing the legislation. Of course, both men could introduce such a bill in their respective chambers, so the two stories don't necessarily mean the reports are incorrect. I will attempt to verify the information and find a link to the legislation when it is available. (Thanks to reader Chris H.—who told me he works for Dr. Muney—for pointing out these articles.)
Updated 8 July 2009 @ 1950 PDT: Apparently other doctors are getting tired of dealing with insurance companies and have opted to try Dr. Muney's approach: flat-rate unlimited healthcare. Let's hope these Seattle doctors have less trouble with the state than Dr. Muney did!
Updated 19 March 2010 @ 1330 PDT: I just got asked by Keith (see comments below) whether there is an update on this issue. I hadn't heard anything, but given the state of the healthcare debate, I thought it would be interesting to look into this. I did some digging on (where else?) the Internet and found the website for Dr. Muney's medical group, AMG. It still shows that people can get unlimited preventative healthcare for $79 a month. This appears to be the same status as it was in as of 16 March 2009 when the State of New York changed its stance to allow preventative care for a flat fee but not illness or injury care. And the Democrats wonder why there is so much opposition to their healthcare "reform" bill!
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Dave Jones is not your typical liberal California criminal defense trial attorney. He is a libertarian who believes in less government, more guns, and greater freedom–in short, the principles on which this country was founded. He can be reached at his law firm, the American Justice Center, via e-mail at djones at AmericanJusticeCenter.com. Read more of his writings at blog.AmericanJusticeCenter.com.

9 comments:
I did see this on Glenn Beck and I just saw the Great Dr. on Mike Huckabee...
People if this is another thing that that does not prove that the problems we have in almost every area is because of what politician’s have done...
The Patients are happy, the Dr. is happy, but oh no the government comes in and wants to shut a great thing down. It is SICKENING and it has to stop...
Just like most high profile economists are saying the government is making the whole economy much, much worse with all of the spending and bailouts they are doing...
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I just googled Doctor Muney's name as I sit here on a Sunday afternoon watching him being interviewed on Gov. Huckabee's Fox News show. I am completely sympathetic to his clearly commonsense and classically Hippocratic approach to medicine. What a shame that the politicos and bureaucrats do not have equally practical approaches.
I saw Dr. Muney on Huckabee, looked up his mailing address in NYC and wrote him a "keep the faith, don't let the turkeys get you down". He needs to be encouraged!
Dr. John Muney
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Isn't it GREAT that a doctor would take the initiative to come up with a model medical program for people who do not or can not afford medical insurance?
When my husband and I saw Dr Muney on the FOX network - the best one out there...we say Kudos to you.
I have worked for a health insurance company and now a medical clinic. I can tell you from experience that insurance companies try to tell the doctors how to treat their patients. I don't know about you but my doctor knows me and my medical history whereas an insurance company, NY Insurance Dept do. LET US GET RID OF THE POLITICS, RED TAPE, AND GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION!!
THANK YOU DR MUNEY FOR TAKING THE INITIATIVE TO SET UP A MODEL THAT COULD BE REASONABLE FOR MEDICAL CARE FOR PATIENTS. Most importantly, Preventative medicine so that we do not end up an unhealthy Country due to catastrophic illnesses such as cancer or heart disease.
Once again, thank you and we hope that other physicians join with you to promote this model for health care. Thanks, Jackie (WI)
I'm glad to hear that other people are equally mad about this. I was beginning to think those of us with common sense were out numbered by the pro-government/pro-bureaucracy group. Glenn Beck's 9.12 project (http://www.the912project.com/) also looks promising. Thanks for the comments!
I'm glad we Stand Together Dave... Keep the TRUTH flowing as will I...
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This is insurance, not government. It may be partially NY state government but it is not federal government. This is not a problem for doctors in FL; they have been doing this for years now.
So it's been almost a year since this initially happened and I'm curious to know what's become of it. Do you have any information regarding this??
Yes I would like to know what's come of this so far... I see the People are rising up finally in huge ways. BTW check out this song "Rise-Up" by Jeremy Hoop, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6uhalWq4l4 it's awesome...
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